Interior and Decoration

Dave:
This is On the Market, a BiggerPockets podcast, presented by Fundrise.
Hey, what’s going on everyone? Welcome to On the Market. I’m your host, Dave Meyer. Today we’re going to be talking about the impact of natural disasters on local economies and the housing market because of what happened recently in Florida with Hurricane Ian. Most of us here at BiggerPockets were actually at the BiggerPockets conference during Hurricane Ian or right after Hurricane Ian. And one of the most common questions that I got then, and following that is, how does this impact people, either renters or homeowners, landlords in the area? How do governments, how do investors respond to these types of situations? So since then we have been gathering some information. We’ve done a bunch of research on how these types of events impact the housing market, and we have the press secretary from FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Association, who’s joining us today to talk about how the federal government basically assists state and local governments in their recovery efforts.
So not only if you were impacted, hopefully not either directly or indirectly by Hurricane Ian, there will be some really good information for you about how to access some of those funds. But also just as investors, home buyers, people in general interested in the economy, there is some really good information about how to prepare yourself, how this all works. And so I think we have a really interesting show for you. So make sure to stick around for this one.
Okay, so if you’re not familiar with Hurricane In, it was a huge disaster. Unfortunately, 146 people in Florida died from the event as it hit mostly Fort Myers and Naples, Florida. As we learned from our interview with Jeremy in a few minutes, there’s actually 26 counties in Florida that were directly impacted. And this has just been a terrible situation across the board. Obviously, personally, people have lost their homes, they’ve lost their possessions, many people are displaced. I read a sort of heartbreaking article earlier about elderly retirees who are struggling to rebuild.
And so this has been a really big issue. And of course, we don’t want to make light of the humanitarian and social issues that came out of this. We deeply feel for the people have been impacted. But as this show talks about investing home ownership, we want to talk about what happens in these situations to our businesses, our investments, the things that the people on the show might be wondering about. So we did some research and what we’ve seen is that since the events in Hurricane Ian, the housing market in this area has really taken a very significant hit. And a lot of this area of Florida, which is Western Florida, was already starting to see a decline. You probably know this, but it was one of the hottest markets in the entire country during the pandemic, and it was starting to come down.
But since then, in the weeks ending October 16th, so just a couple weeks ago, we saw that the pending home sales down nearly 60%, 60%, year over year in Cape Coral, Florida, which is really significant. We’re also seeing similar numbers in Naples, 52%, and North Port, 51%. Meanwhile, elsewhere in Florida, the housing market is cooling but not as much. Like in Miami for example, it’s 47%. In Jacksonville, it’s 46%, Palm Beach, it’s 43%. So you’re seeing that this area of the country is seeing a more significant slowdown in the housing market than the rest of this. Nationwide, I should mention, that home sales are down 32%. So when you look at areas like Cape Coral, it’s nearly double what’s going on in the US as a whole. And that obviously makes sense because there’s just less inventory on the market, a lot of homes need to be repaired.
But obviously, this means that we’re going to see some decreased activity in the housing market. For example, in Cape Coral, we’ve seen that new listing sank 59% on a yearly basis, and this is just going to further exacerbate this problem. We’re not going to see a lot of home buying activity in this area until there’s more homes that have been fixed and can enter the market. Now, this does have longstanding implications, not just for this area, but also due to just some of the things that we see happen after a hurricane. So thanks to Pooja Jindal, who’s our researcher, did some research into this and we found that after hurricanes, financial hardship causes a large spike in home mortgage delinquencies.
For example, after Hurricane Ida, which was in 2021, but we wanted to compare what’s happening now to something previously. We saw that in Houma metro area, which is in Louisiana, the delinquency rate for mortgages went up from 1% per month to 7%. So it’s 7x’d because of these hurricane. And now we’ve seen that the percentage of home buyers in Houma who are at least three months behind on payments jumped by 50%. So this sort of makes sense logically that all of these areas are going to be negatively impacted economically. And we don’t know exactly what will happen with Hurricane Ian specifically. But if this pattern continues, this could be a drag on that area’s economy for the foreseeable future.
The second thing that I think is really interesting and potentially has long standing implications, not just for this part of Western Florida, but also for Florida and really the whole country, is what happens with insurance here. Because this event, Hurricane Ian, private insurance losses are expected to reach $67 billion. This is one of the largest natural disasters in the United States history. And that doesn’t even include funds. We’re seeing these huge numbers come out.
CoreLogic, one of the greatest, biggest real estate analytics firms came out and said that they think that the damage that was caused could be between 28 and $47 billion just for home sales. That first issue included businesses and other stuff. But just for that, it could be one of these deadliest costliest storms in the history of Florida. And this comes at an interesting time for Florida because Florida has already seen a lot of insurance companies start to leave, and premiums in Florida have gone up very, very significantly. Florida insurers, people who still operate, insurers who still operate, depend heavily on what is called reinsures. This is basically insurance companies for insurance companies. So like insurance companies, they analyze risk and they estimate how much to charge in premiums to ensure that they can pay for everything in case there’s an event like this. But sometimes they’re wrong.
And so they actually take out insurance to make sure that if they’re wrong, someone else comes in with even more money to refill their coffers basically. So they’re really dependent on these reinsurance programs. And actually Florida has actually, the state government has had to come in and create its own reinsurance programs because there’s just not enough insurance dollars coming into Florida. Just as an example of what is going on with Florida’s insurance program back in May, Governor Ron DeSantis called a special legislative session to try and shore up the insurance program and lawmakers took steps to including providing $2 billion in reinsurance to carriers. But obviously, that’s not enough, right? $2 billion, that’s great. But I just said that some of the estimates here are that insurance are going to be between 28 and $47 billion. Now, we haven’t really heard from any insurers that this is going to be a catastrophic event for them and they can’t pay for it.
But we’ve already start to see insurance premiums go up in states like Florida or in places where I invest in Colorado where there’s more wildfires. So that is just an open question about what goes on with insurance. I don’t know exactly what’s going to happen, but there have been a lot of questions. I’ve been reading Florida newspapers all day preparing for this about what’s going to happen with the insurance market in Florida. So although it looks like, according to Redfin, housing market activity is really declining, it looks like investors are actually not really that deterred right now. There was a recent Wall Street Journal article that says that investors are basically swooping in. And I was very excited to see that the person they quoted was Ken Johnson, who we had on this podcast back in, I think it was like May or June, to talk about his rent versus buy model that he created. Just as a reminder, it’s a great episode if you want to go check that out.
But according to Ken Johnson, what he thinks is going to happen is, quote, “We’ll most likely see an increase in prices almost immediately driven mostly by continued strong demand and stormed induced inventory shortages.” He goes on to say, “While pricing might be erratic for the first few months, the demand for living along a coastline with warm weather and a business friendly economy seems to have led to quick economic recoveries after recent past hurricane strikes.” So this is just something to note that although it does look dire right now, and that is sort of going nationwide where we’re seeing a decline in housing market activity, Ken Johnson, who again was on the show, thinks that this is going to be probably pretty short lived. And according to his research economic activity, home buying activity has picked up relatively quickly in Florida after similar events in the past.
So we invited on Jeremy Edwards from FEMA to talk about how the federal government is helping state and local governments shore up the insurance system, provide disaster relief for the people who need it. And so we’re going to take a quick break, but after that, we’ll welcome on Jeremy Edwards from FEMA.
Jeremy Edwards, the press secretary for FEMA. Welcome to On the Market.

Jeremy:
Thank you Dave. Great to be here. Thanks for having me.

Dave:
Absolutely. Thank you for being here. Before we get into some of the more recent events, can you help our audience understand what exactly FEMA is and what its mandate is?

Jeremy:
Sure. So FEMA is an emergency management agency. It’s a federal emergency management agency. We kind of operate as a big coordinator of federal resources when there’s a disaster. So most typically, folks’ interactions with FEMA is like something terrible or tragic has happened, whether it’s like a hurricane, a wildfire, flooding event, tornado. And basically what happens is the state or a territory will have a specific amount of resources to respond to that disaster. And usually, if they’re going to tap out of those resources or they don’t have enough money to respond to something significant, then they’ll call on the federal government for what’s called a major disaster declaration or an emergency declaration. And then that’s kind of when FEMA steps in.
And again, our big kind of tools to address those is either direct funding through individual assistance or public assistance. And then the other hat that we put on is a coordinating officer. So we’re basically at HQ pulling, together the various disparate parts of the federal government, whether it’s like the US Army Corps of Engineers, HHS, those types of agencies. Coast Guard, sorry, I was blanking for a second, the US Coast Guard. Bring them all together and then kind of mission assigning them like what they’re going to do.
So we’ll say, “Okay, US Army Corps Engineer, you’re going to go help get the power back on. HHS, you’re going to help set up some temporary health facilities to address those needs. US Coast Guard, you’re going to help us with search and rescue.” So that’s kind of our main role. The other hat we kind of wear that’s been more important with climate change, increased extreme weather is resilience. So we provide a lot of funding through our resilience office, resilience grants. We have flood mitigation assistance and hazard mitigation grant funding, which basically gives communities funding to strengthen them to better stand up, build back better. So that way when disaster is going to come, they’re able to withstand it.

Dave:
Got it. All right. Thank you. So it sounds like you’re funded by the federal government and respond and help preempt. Is it only natural disasters or is there other types of assistance that FEMA provides?

Jeremy:
No, actually, so it’s hazards. So our authority comes from the what’s called the Stafford Act primarily. And basically, natural disasters are usually what people think of, but it’s really any hazard. It could be something that’s related to nuclear, it can be a manmade disaster. We also have a role with continuity. There’s like an issue with there’s some sort of terrible thing that might happen in Washington, DC for example, where we have kind of a continuity role there too. So folks usually think of us when it’s hurricane season because those are kind of the biggest types of disasters that will hit the nation, but it’s really any hazard.

Dave:
Got it. Okay. Thank you for explaining that. Well, we are definitely guilty of thinking of you when it comes to hurricanes because the impetus for this show, our show focuses on people in the real estate industry and home buyers who want to take a data driven approach to their home purchase. And obviously, with Hurricane Ian recently, there was a massive loss of property, obviously, tragic loss of life as well. Can you tell us a little bit about how FEMA was or still is involved in the recovery from Hurricane Ian?

Jeremy:
Sure. So I don’t want to say a good thing about hurricanes, but one benefit in terms of disaster preparedness is you can kind of see it coming a few days out. So we’re tracking the storm early on. Before the storm made landfall, President Biden approved an emergency declaration for Florida, so that way they could kind of preposition materials. That emergency function really helps with the life saving and life sustaining efforts. So making sure that we can move personnel swiftly to an area, making sure they have commodities on hand, helping them with first response, search and rescue operations, things like that. So that was on the front end. We basically put a bunch of people and a bunch of resources in areas that were close enough to where once the storm passed we could basically flood the zone and get in there but far enough away where they’d still be safe.
And then that’s kind of like that immediately response action. So like I said, that’s a lot of search and rescue efforts, making sure we’re saving lives, et cetera. Then, basically right after that happens, you’re switching into recovery mode and that’s kind of where we are now. And that’s something that’s going to continue on likely with a storm like this for years, given the amount of devastation. So right now our primary role is supporting the state in things like debris removal, but then also providing both public assistance and individual assistance. The public assistance is what’s going to the state for things like infrastructure projects. So there’s a lot of bridges that might have collapsed, roads that need to be repaired, and that’s when our public assistance comes in. And then the individual assistance is kind of the money we provide directly to survivors to help them make their homes habitable again, maybe give them some temporary housing assistance as well. So that’s kind of the mode we’re in and that unfortunately, with something like this, is going to be a few years.
Yeah. You just see the pictures, it looks horrible what happened down there and I’m glad to hear that there’s concerted effort by the federal and state governments to help everyone affected by that. What do you typically see? You said years. In this type of situation, I don’t know if FEMA has any estimates, how long does it normally take for communities, we hear specifically about Naples and Cape Coral, some of the worst affected areas, how long does it take for them to recover?
For a disaster like this, we’ve been told it’s probably going to take somewhere in the ballpark of about seven years in this recovery. If you look at old disasters or disasters that we’re still recovering from, like we’re still recovering from Storm Sandy up in New York and New Jersey. There’s still recovery efforts underway for Hurricane Maria, which that community five years later is in the middle of recovery and then they get hit by another hurricane. So these are long efforts.
Part of that is because when you have severely damaged infrastructure, it’s just going to take time to rebuild those things. When you have areas where communities example in Fort Myers Beach have been completely almost washed away in some areas, that’s going to involve folks not only trying to rebuild their lives, but in some instances, they might have to think about making tough decisions, can we even move back here? Can we rebuild here? So these recovery efforts take a long time, but FEMA has the funding and the resources and the personnel. We’re basically there until the recovery’s over. So we still have folks down in Puerto Rico who were originally recovering from Maria, they were there five years later. We have folks all over the country that are still helping folks recover.

Dave:
Got it. Okay. And so for specifically, let’s just look at Hurricane Ian, the recent example, does FEMA help reconstruct homes, for example? You mentioned bridges and stuff, but what about local economic conditions or is it homes, businesses? What is the scale of what you’re assisting with?

Jeremy:
Yeah, so there’s a few different things. The first thing is FEMA is not necessarily the builder or the contractor. What we’re really doing is providing the funds so the state can lead that effort. And a phrase that we use around here is state and local led, federally supported. So the state, because they’re close to the issue, they’re closer their constituents, they’re closer to the residents, they know what they’re going to need and they’re going to have to make sometimes those tougher decisions of maybe we can’t necessarily rebuild a community right here. We might have to start elevating homes. We might have to say this is actually now in a flood plain, we would not advise people building houses here. So we’re basically going to be giving those folks money.
So right now, the federal effort, all told, that’s FEMA assistance and small business administration as well, is about $2.6 billion has gone to the State of Florida. And then beyond just helping folks either rebuild their homes, a couple other tools that they can use are, there’s SBA low interest disaster loans that are available for both homeowners, businesses and in some cases renters that basically in addition to any sort of FEMA assistance, they can get that type of assistance. And FEMA also offers flood insurance. We have a National Flood Insurance Program that insures properties up to $250,000 worth of damage. So there’s a few things, few resources that folks can take care of, but primarily it’s a state that’s going to kind of be leading on those rebuilding efforts and then FEMA’s kind of funding a lot of that stuff.

Dave:
Got it. Okay. You mentioned insurance, which is something I want to talk about, I’m sure something you talk about all the time. But the idea of home insurance is that you are covered in these types of situations. So how does FEMA work with or augment personal home insurance?

Jeremy:
Yeah, so just to start off, generally, insurance is a confusing concept for a lot of people. It’s very technical. But most homeowners’ insurance actually doesn’t cover things like flooding, unfortunately. So that’s why separate from homeowner’s insurance, if you live in a community that is participating in our NFIP program, the National Flood Insurance Program, FEMA is basically the insurer. They’re underwriting those policies so you can get flood insurance through us and then we will insure your home or property. And then the individual assistance basically is to fill gaps or for folks who might be uninsured.
Now, what I will kind of say to your listeners is that FEMA’s job is really to jumpstart your recovery. We’re not necessarily there to make everyone entirely whole, that’s kind of the state’s primary job. We’re there to basically say, okay, here’s a disaster, here’s injecting money into the problem, either directly to people or to the public through public assistance to the states to basically start that process going. But flood insurance, to your question, is really the best way to protect yourself, which is why we encourage everyone, even if you’re not living on the beach or next to a river bank, to consider getting flood insurance because wherever it can rain, it can flood. And we’ve seen disasters where Hurricane Ida, for example, comes up as a hurricane, turns into basically a storm system and then all of a sudden we see massive flooding in places like New York City that wasn’t even in the path of the storm, so to speak. So that’s definitely going to be the best way to protect yourself from these types of damages.

Dave:
Okay. So it’s not like FEMA’s coming in and people who don’t have insurance are essentially getting recovery funds to completely replace the role of private insurance.

Jeremy:
Exactly. So it’s like you have these pools of money. So you got the flood insurance money that we would encourage everyone to get. If you don’t have flood insurance, we have individual assistance to help those types of folks. But again, reminding everyone that it’s really there to just jumpstart your recovery. And then some other things we have while you’re kind of trying to figure out what to do next, we have transitional sheltering assistance, which basically pays for you to stay in a hotel or a motel. And then we also have our housing mission, which is actually just being stood up now for a few counties where we will basically provide either a trailer or some type of other structure where you can live in while you’re in the process of rebuilding your home or making those necessary repairs. Because the last thing we want is for people to have to stay in a home that is clearly uninhabitable.

Dave:
I’d love to get back to that housing mission in just a minute. I think that’ll be of particular interest to our listeners. But wanted to ask one more thing about insurance, because this seems to be a big issue, particularly in Florida. I was reading that in Florida a lot of insurance companies are leaving the state because it’s becoming so expensive to insure there and that the state has actually stepped up and provided some reinsurance to some of the main providers. And I was just curious how FEMA reacts to that. Is that going to mean that FEMA’s going to have to inject more money into states like Florida in the future because private insurance might be doing less?

Jeremy:
I think what that really means is that, to your point, climate change, rising sea levels, warmer oceans are going to be leading to more of these types of events. That is just the reality of the situation. And what that is going to end up doing is likely going to be higher premiums for some folks who are living in riskier areas. We’ve implemented here at FEMA a new methodology for how we determine folks’ premiums, called Risk Rating 2.0, which basically identifies the true risk of a property. So folks can start making those decisions because that’s what it’s going to come down to, just saying, is it worth the risk to live in an area like this? And that’s what those types of tools will tell you. There’s also other tools like the National Risk Index, which is a great tool that I would encourage anyone who’s moving to a new area considering developing some new property, buying or renting a home, to check that out.
We also just recently announced a new tool with Argonne and AT&T called ClimRR, C-L-I-M-R-R, which is a cool tool that basically shows your future climate risk, mid to late century. So you can look not only what’s your risk today, but you can look like, okay, what’s this area going to look like in 20 years, 15 years? And those I think are important tools because especially when it comes to someone who’s looking to build property or build a new home, you’re not going to want to move to a place that could very well be underwater in 20 years. So these are some tools. As far as FEMA’s concerned, we are going to continue to provide flood insurance to communities that are participating in the National Flood Insurance Program, whether or not there might be private insurers there.

Dave:
Got it. All right, that makes sense. Thank you. Thank you for explaining that. And then one last question about the insurance thing. I guess maybe it’s not insurance. I read something about the 50% rule and that FEMA basically will only provide funds to help rebuild if the repair cost is less than 50% of the appraised value. Is that correct?

Jeremy:
Not exactly. Basically has to do with what local and state ordinances are saying. So basically a state and local government, you can’t basically rebuild if your home is seen to be substantially damaged. So if the home is substantially damaged, they’re not going to let you rebuild there unless you take certain actions to alleviate the risk in the future. So whether that means elevating a home, moving it out of a flood plane for example, but that is more of a state thing. And I’d actually love to get you some more information on that because we have some more detailed information that I could share as well.

Dave:
Great. Yeah, that would be awesome. I obviously don’t know that much about it when I was reading about it, when I was researching the show. And so if you do have any additional information about that, we can make sure to put it in the show notes for anyone listening, they can go and download that resource there.
So I’d love to get back to something you mentioned, which is the housing mission, which is something I think our listeners will be particularly interested in. You mentioned it provides temporary housing for people affected by these hazards and natural disasters. Can you tell us a little bit more about how that works?

Jeremy:
Yeah. So there’s two things that are going on. On the one hand, we’ll offer things like rental assistance to people if they need help with that. We also have the Transitional Sheltering Assistance and that’s like our hotel and motel program. And then we have our Direct Housing Mission. So we have that currently authorized for four counties in Florida. And basically, what that is, we determine that rental assistance is going to be insufficient to meet the needs of folks living in those counties. So there’s a few things that we might provide. One is multi-family lease and repair where FEMA will enter into a lease agreement with the owner of a multi-family property and make repairs to provide housing for those applicants.
There’s also basically they FEMA trailers. The technical name is a transportable temporary housing unit. That’s where we’ll basically bring an actual trailer to the property or adjacent property that’s in a safer area and folks will basically live in there while they’re either rebuilding or doing repairs for their homes. And that mission usually lasts about 18 months. And the only thing I would emphasize there is that these are temporary options. There’s not meant to be long term solutions. There’s other folks who are working in the space, like our friends over at Housing and Urban Development, who kind of have longer term housing solutions should you need housing beyond those 18 months. But that’s, that short term to medium term solution while folks are trying to get their lives back together basically.

Dave:
Got it. Okay. So it sounds like your first priority is to provide rental assistance rather than housing. So what does that mean? They could get vouchers to lease an apartment while their home’s being repaired?

Jeremy:
Yeah, basically. We’ll basically provide them with some sort of funding to basically, let’s say they can’t save at their house, they need to go do some short term lease somewhere else, we’ll provide rental assistance to them that way. The other way is the transitional sheltering assistance that I mentioned, which is they just go to a hotel that’s participating. I believe we have them in Florida, Alabama, and Georgia, where they can go to basically stay in a hotel and we’ll just pay the hotel directly for their stay there. And then if it looks like their road to recovery is going to be longer than that, that’s when that Direct Housing Mission comes in where it’s like, okay, the rental assistance or those transitional sheltering assistance is just insufficient to help this person, their needs are going to be a little bit longer. So then that’s when the direct housing comes into play.

Dave:
And does that apply to both homeowners and renters?

Jeremy:
Yes, this all applies to both, besides rental assistance of course. But with homeowners there’s also, like I mentioned, those SBA loans. But the direct housing transitional, it’s really just about whether you’re a renter or homeowner, is your home currently habitable? No? Then, these are where these programs come in.

Dave:
Okay, got it. If there are people listening to this, we have a lot of landlords on the show, people who own multi-family properties who want to offer this service or interested in working with FEMA on there, is that something they can do?

Jeremy:
I would suggest that anyone who has questions like that, call 1-800-621-3362. 1-800-621-3362. That is our basically individual assistance line that’s in. That’ll put you in touch with recovery folks. Frankly, I’m not entirely sure what there might be for homeowners who want to help out on the rental side of things. But at the very least, if you’re looking for that type of assistance, that’s your best way to get it. Phone lines are open, got a bunch of people waiting. I’ve been told that call times have decreased significantly since the beginning of this disaster. And then there’s also disasterassistance.gov, which is somewhere we would encourage folks to check out.

Dave:
Thank you very much. That’s super helpful. And is anyone eligible for these types of programs or just FEMA assistance in general? Is it just like anyone who needs it or are there criteria for who can get assistance?

Jeremy:
Yeah, so the primary criteria is are you living in an impacted county? So going back to your first question about what does FEMA do, how does this process kind of work, when there’s a major disaster declaration, we will, at the request of the state, identify the counties that are impacted. So in Florida, I believe we’re at 26 counties right now. That means anybody living in those counties is technically eligible for individual assistance. Now, the major caveats are legally we cannot duplicate benefits. So that means if you have an insurance claim and the insurance is going to pay to fix your home, you’ll likely not qualify for individual assistance unless, this is a hypothetical, but let’s say your insurance only covered for wind damage or something, you actually don’t have flood insurance. Then the individual assistance might come in to fill some of those gaps.
And then the other part of it is through our policies, we’re required also then to do home inspections. So if you’re like, “Hey, my basement got badly flooded, it’s causing some structural damage here, mold,” et cetera, we will then, once you’re in the process, send out a home inspector. Usually at your convenience, they kind of work that process out and they’ll come in to basically just assess the damage. And that’s all part of how we determine the amount of assistance that person’s going to receive. So the short answer is yes, if you’re in a eligible county, you are eligible for assistance. But then there’s just those little caveats that I mentioned.

Dave:
Thank you for helping with that. This has been very helpful, understanding how you all react to disasters and hazards. You mentioned at the beginning of the show that part of FEMA’s mission is also to help with prevention or with awareness. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

Jeremy:
Yeah. There’s basically a bunch of grants that we give out through our resilience directorate, which are basically to help communities harden themselves to extreme weather events. So our big pool of money is what’s called hazard mitigation, our Hazard Mitigation grant program. And basically what that does is when there is a major disaster declaration, those communities are then eligible for hazard mitigation grants moving forward. So basically, it’s like you get hit by a hurricane, now you can start applying through that disaster to get these hazard mitigation. So the next time you might be hit by a hurricane, it’ll be lessened.
Two other areas that we have are flood mitigation assistance grants, which basically provide similar type of funding to make communities more resilient. And then we have the Building Resilient Infrastructure and Communities program, or what we like to call it around here, BRIC. And that is a program that has been a received increased funding from the president’s bipartisan infrastructure law. That does the same thing. It’s basically communities who want to build up resilience, apply for grant funding, we review their applications, and then we will basically provide them with funding depending on what they need to help just build up resilience there.
And what I really love about those two programs in particular is we’ve have implemented new initiatives to basically get more money to underserved communities. So historically, communities that have been historically underserved, disadvantaged, vulnerable, have had a harder time accessing this type of money. And then ironically, or even maybe even expectedly in some ways, it’s those communities who end up suffering the most when there are disasters. So this is kind of a way for us to say, okay, we want to make sure that everyone’s able to have access to this money. So it’s just making those programs more accessible.

Dave:
Got it. And you’re saying the communities. Does that mean that it’s state or local governments who are applying for these or do individual homeowners or renters have any option to access some of these funds?

Jeremy:
Depends on the program. So a lot of these though, are usually state and local communities are applying for the grants and then determining where that money is going to be spent. For example, there’s a program that we have, which is effectively a flood buyout program. So if your home has been impacted basically repeatedly by a flooding event, the local community can basically determine what properties that they’re just going to want to buy out. They’ll just buy your home from you. And then FEMA will provide that money to the local and state community to carry out that program. And that instance, it’s like the community slash the local government or the state government is the one driving the program, but it is to basically help individual households out.

Dave:
Okay, great. So if you are a homeowner or investor in these areas, sounds like the best that you could check with FEMA, but also check what your state and local governments are doing to build resilience and allocate some of these funds.

Jeremy:
Exactly.

Dave:
All right, great. Well, Jeremy, thank you so much for being here. Is there anything else you think our listeners should know about FEMA’s mission or how they can build resilience against these types of hazards and disasters?

Jeremy:
Yeah, the one thing I would just like to say is preparedness, which I don’t think we talked a bunch about, but it’s, I think, arguably the most important thing that you can do when it comes to these disasters is just take steps to make sure you’re prepared beforehand. We have a ton of resources available, low cost and no cost options to prepare. I want to tell your listeners to check out ready.gov or listo.gov, which is our Spanish version of the same website, that kind of has preparedness tips. We also recently relaunched our FEMA app, we revamped it’s more accessible and it’s got a couple cool tools that folks can use. And it’s just as simple as plugging it in on your iPhone or your smartphone. And that will tell you not only local emergency alerts, but it will tell you where shelters might be located. It will tell you how to apply for disaster assistance if you’re impacted. And it also has a lot of those preparedness resources.
And just on that note, coming off the pandemic, which a lot of people are moving to areas that they’ve never lived before. We have a lot of people moving across the country, living in environments that they’re not used to. So that’s what really where the preparedness comes in. There’s people living in places, they might have never gone through a hurricane. They might not have any experience with wildfires, which is where this preparedness stuff comes in. And the final thing I’ll say on the preparedness piece is, don’t get complacent. Just because, you didn’t get hit… Folks in Tampa, this hurricane was originally supposed to hit Tampa. At the last minute, kind of shifted down, but it very well easily could have gone there.
Maybe next year they get hit. Maybe next year Miami’s on it, or we see with things like Hurricane Ida, you’re not even in the path of the storm and then you’re suffering other things from the system, tornadoes and things like that. There’s few places in the country where you’re not going to have to deal with some sort of possible natural disaster. I used to say Upstate New York was the safest place to live, but then we just gave Buffalo a major disaster declaration for all the snowfall that they just got. So really, just don’t take it for granted and do everything you can to prepare. Even if it does seem a little silly sometimes, you’ll just like never know when you might actually need those skills and those resources.

Dave:
All right. Great. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Jeremy. We really appreciate you being here for this episode of On the Market.

Jeremy:
Thank you. I appreciate you having me.

Dave:
All right. Big thanks to Jeremy for joining us from FEMA. That was a really interesting interview. I am embarrassed to admit that I did not know very much about what FEMA does or how they provide help to communities and homeowners and investors previously, but learned a lot about that. We did pull together some stats just so you can understand of the scope of what’s going on in Florida and what FEMA does. FEMA has, to date, provided $603 million to households and 322 million to the state of Florida for emergency responses and to help survivors jumpstart their recovery. It has made individual assistance available to 26 counties in Florida. And as of October 22nd, FEMA’s National Flood Insurance Program has received more than 42,000 flood insurance claims. Wow, 42,000 claims. And paid more than 147 million to policy holders, including 103 million in advanced payments. So that’s really interesting and good to hear.
And I think there are some main takeaways that I sort of wanted to just recap from the interview with Jeremy. First and foremost, as he said, part of their mission is to provide housing assistance, either in temporary housing or rental assistance or putting people up. So one, if you are personally affected, hopefully you’re not, but if you are, you should seek out those assistance programs. But if you have a tenant, for example, or someone who is seeking housing, you should encourage them to seek out the state and government assistance. And if you have vacancies or open multi-families like they were talking about, perhaps you can come in and provide a service to the people who are affected and sounds like FEMA and the federal government will foot the bill there. So that could be a great win-win situation.
The other thing that I think that Jeremy hit on that I wanted to talk about was just preparedness and buying good insurance. So flood insurance, counter to what people often think, is not included in standard homeowner policy. And I really like what he said that anywhere could flood. So I mostly invest in Colorado, it’s where I was living prior to moving to Amsterdam. And my home was actually in a flood plain. And if you know anything about Denver, it never rains there. But it’s almost like because it never rains, when it does rain a lot, these huge flash floods come around and it could be really detrimental.
And so I really encourage you to look at the flood plains, flood information for your neighborhood and make sure that you are properly insured for anything that could happen. Because like you said, it’s like one of those things, insurance, you never want it, but when the time comes and your number gets called and that happens, unfortunately, you’re going to want the best insurance. So I’m a big believer in buying good, high quality insurance and recommend that if you are an investor, homeowner of any type, you reevaluate your policy.
I also loved what he said, or I didn’t love it, but whatever, I think it was a really important point, is that people are moving to new places where they don’t have experience. Florida, for example, has seen this huge increase in population over the last couple years. And so there probably are a lot of people, maybe even if you owned a home in a different state or in a different city, are moving to a new place where you don’t know, maybe you haven’t lived through a hurricane and need to take some new consideration, make some new considerations about your insurance. So if you have moved to a new place, whether it’s Florida, or like Jeremy said, Buffalo, New York, you should reevaluate some of the risks that exist in your area and make sure that your insurance policy has you adequately covered.
All right, well thank you all so much for joining me for this episode. This has been really interesting. I learned a lot from Jeremy. Hopefully this has helped you understand how housing markets and how insurance markets react to these types of disasters. Thank you so much for listening. We’ll see you for next time for On The Market.
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